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Was it an act of heroism or an act of terrorism ? An act of war or a performance art piece ? A movie or a television program ? A defining moment for a generation or an ordinary shitty day on Earth glorified by exceptional PR muscle ? This week on Talking bout Practice, Billy Ray Stupendous and I are joined by Dr Peter and Dr Eran -- two veterans of th Livejournal decade -- to talk 'bout September 11, 2001. We get earnest. We tell jokes. We suffer insufferable audio quality. In th 75th minute, a third doc, Doc Carnage, hops on and redirects th conversation toward matters explosive. In th end, drowned out by echoes of our own voices, there's but one matter upon which all involved concur: this was th worst podcast ever made, a real holocast.
Table of contents:
00:00 "Search & Destroy" performed by the Stooges
03:19 Eating while podcasting
04:57 Where were you? | "I love 9/11"
07:29 "I was doing my psychiatry rotation"
09:05 Everybody loved New York for a few minutes | disenchantment
10:32 Ad hoc community feelings | th birth of Islamophobia | a movie villain | 9/11 party
13:44 Opinions vs insight
14:55 Getting used to it in Israel vs th Impossible American Event
17:44 Co-opting 9/11 to enhance personal drama | "irretrievable loss" | knowing nothing and feeling everything | being a brown person
21:16 Indians who took preventive measures
22:27 Improbability | audio problem | th fading of 9/11
27:33 "The entire world jumped the shark" | squandering sympathy
30:13 An attempt not to be cynical | Hurricane Sandy | ad hoc community vis-à-vis "tragedy-based relationships"
32:29 Flight security theatre
36:55 What nobody wants to admit | predator-prey evolution | "Sounds of the Japanese Doomsday Cults"
38:49 On mellowing out & focusing on things you can change
39:49 On leaving local matters to th locals | Katrina relief | th inherent corruption of large organizations
46:08 Slow-motion disasters | Sandy relief | breaking relief orgs into smaller units
52:00 Sexy tragedies vs nonsexy ones | 9/11 in Syria every day | on whether we ought to give a damn
54:16 A case for depopulating th earth | terrorists as heroes, heroes as terrorists | "the central evil thought"
57:00 "Suicide has killed more people than war"
57:55 Cameo: Rubik
58:11 "It's almost like snuff films" | Real life is a movie, too | eliminating the implements of killing
1:01:39 Th Cold War of Reproduction | "my utopian seed" | "9/11 makes me so horny"
1:03:19 Gallows human | 9/11 jokes | Diego Castillo's Kareem Abdul-Jabbar joke | Gordon Meuse's suicide | cosmic joke
1:06:19 If you were an Alan Moore character | Cameo 2: Rubik | This is our worst podcast ever
1:07:51 A recommendation: "Have You Forgotten?" by Darryl Worley | spitting on th American flag | starting a war over nothing
1:12:11 Think out loud bout remote warfare | depersonalization
1:14:30 Doc Carnage joins th 'cast | "I wanna make your wife feel at home" | Michael Bay explosions
1:16:49 Do you have any strong opinions on drone warfare? | Clint's battlefield laptop | th boredom of war | what you can see on infrared
1:23:47 How ground warfare might be less damaging psychologically to its participants than drone warfare | on knowing or not knowing whether you killed anyone | Depersonalize might not be th right word | th shower scene in Psycho
1:28:42 How th Nazis did it in th concentration camps | We haven't found a way to not have damage | desensitized as a nation
1:33:21 "You do your job or you die" | on duty to yr fellow soldiers | Pokemon vs war
1:36:11 On th effect of homogeneity and scale on Israel's attitude to war | on th effect of intellectual isolationism
1:40:30 Israel's military
1:41:33 Eran vs other Israelis | ad hoc rooting interests | Clint begins a rebuttal ...
1:45:33 Reverb obliterates th debate | This is th worst podcast o.a.t. | I hate this podcast | This sucks
1:49:39 Bonus Track: b-side to Michael Jackson's "Man in th Mirror"
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